Just wanted to let the assassin community know the latest news on FtD. I posted about this issue to the assassin forum on testlive.

http://forums-beta.ageofconan.com/sh...ad.php?t=37725

To sum it up, FtD while stealthed works fine and as it used to. But while unstealthed FtD does not work.
I get the feeling this is not a bug but I have asked the question on TestLive.

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Sorry if this has already been brought up. I searched and did not find any post about this specific "issue".

w-t-f

/slitwrist

Question of the day?

When is FunCom actually going to work on the Assassin class?

Since launch we have recieved a steady round of nerfs and our few buff (/cough deathwhirlwind) are a joke  So how about we knock all this crap off, give us tracking, give us reasonable hide abilities, give all weapons the same range and give us some more natural evade do to the fact that you put us in CLOTH with 3.5k hp.

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I know people say "oh assassin is just fine" well that would be because we have gems, thank god. There is a reason there aren't a ton of Assassin's out there and its because 2 months ago this class was garbage. If your going to nerf gems thats fine, but don't leave Assassin's out to dry and put out this new PvP patch.

Thanks.

Maybe FtD was always supposed to work only from stealth all along....seems silly for an assassin to have a charge for a start so maybe making it usable only from "hide" keeps it more in character...it is called from the DARKNESS after all

On i side note...we wouldnt need a charge if we had a "hide" ability which worked to suit our class better...ie if we are in total darkness as shown by that black triangle then we cant be popped from stealth no matter how good a players search skill....that would rock

I've had a problem with ftd lately too. I've been getting used to popping out of stealth and then using FTD. But a couple times has happened where I'd do one of the original bugs and I'd fly like 15-20m away from the guy I was hitting. So, by the time I actually get to him, the stun is off and that was a total waste.

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"I wanted to pray, but had no god, and so I wanted to ask for help, but had no friend, nor family, nor foe but these my pursuers. So I asked them to end it, to catch me. And this they could not do."
- The Escape Artist

I agree that according to the description FtD should work only from stealth.

If you guys really want to get some attention on this, make a new thread; label it 'Discussion: FtD change' or something but be sure to include Discussion, and list out the pros and cons for reverting FtD back to the way it was. And no /signed crap, devs want to read coherent reasons from different people as to why it should be changed. And no flames lol.

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I know its more work than typing /signed but that's the only way they'll listen.

The pvp policy already says that GMs will step in if there isn't a pvp solution to a problem. As for realism, the fact that you can magically come back to life kind of ruins any kind of "realism" argument.

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I think people are just not seeing that there is a difference between pk'ing someone and ruining their day and preventing someone from playing by continuously killing someone at the spawn.

So why not do a short term prison system then. Say 15min of paraded around the town being ridiculed, then put in a 'dunk tank' scenerio where people can stand in a crowd and throw tomatoes and stuff at you. 15 min later you get beheaded or something and respawn.

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Seriously, how cool would that be? =)

It helps spawn camping to a degree. Ok so the griefer can get his 5 cheap kills or whatever, then he'll move on because he doesn't want to spend 10 minutes or whatever in prison.

I agree with you in that I don't want carebear servers either. If you're walking by and see some guy from a rival guild who's just come off a spawn point, why shouldn't you be able to kill him? Just don't sit there for an hour doing so and make it your only reason to play AoC.

That's why I like the prison system. If done correctly, the hardcore players won't even know it exists, because it will only affect spawn campers or people that stalk near a spawn point to kill the same lowbie over and over. Hardcore players don't do that, and they won't be affected by the prison system.

Yes, the prison system would reduce the amount of people spawn camping. But the cost to real, quality pvp and open encounters is huge. What I'm saying is, if you had say, 30 seconds where you wouldn't get ganked from the time you spawn, wouldn't that be enough time to get far enough away, or change instances? I mean, if you're spawning, then going back to do your same old quest 20 meters away from the spawn point, you're asking to get ganked. And in my opinion, there's nothing wrong with killing people if they have a chance to get away/avoid it/fight back.

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I never mentioned spawn campers. I agree spawn campers are a piss in the pot, until the fix the rez immunity buff. I'm thinking of the "oh no I had 3 mobs on me and you killed me" or the "wtf is was afk stuffing chessy poofs down my fat gullet" carebears.

+1 for a prison/punishment system.

If you are willing to kill a lowbie to stir the pot you should be willing to take the penalty. That is the price you pay. They have not said much about how it is going to be implemented but i am fairly confident that you are not going to get punished right when it happens, but probably when you are killed. So, you still have plenty of opportunity of killing all you see, until you die.

The way i see it this will be fun, you kill lots of people, you become a criminal. Now you can keep killing whomever you want, but now you have to know that people are coming after you, and when you die you are spawning in prison.

Everyone you killed wants to put you in prison and will do whatever it takes to try and kill you.

You do not want to be in prison so you will do whatever it takes to stay alive.

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I see hours of enjoyment of opposing guilds killing killing each others armies trying to send the other half to hell for their punishment.

Okay, what you're describing sounds more like a criminal style system. For example, in UO where you could do whatever you wanted, but you'd get flagged as a criminal, then if you killed a bunch of people you'd get flagged as a murderer. This system is pretty effective (and interesting) but you have to have a game designed for it. AOC atm isn't, due to the fact that the guards are seriously gimped, and that there is no talk of this whatsoever.

And big guild battles probably just wouldn't happen, because ******* griefing guild Z would bring a bunch of lowbies that would get AOE'd and cause the other guild to get sent to prison. Most likely the griefers would just start trying to get people sent to prison.

I laughed.

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I don't think they have said what the punishment would be, but I would be interested to find out.

I think you should be more afraid of this totally open PvP ruining PvP. I just worry about what is going to happen when more and more people start caping and get bored. Anyone trying to level after that is going to be screwed.

I would rather see some punishment rather than none at all.

Again, yet another post without reading the facts.
Read FunCom's proposed fugitive system, and then make a statement.
A guild could go in and kill everything in sight, they will gain "murder points" for every lowbie they kill, and lose "murder points" for everyone they kill within their level. They will not be sent off to some "prison", be given a timeout, or otherwise have their birthday taken away.
They allow for a more natural resolution. Which is simply this. You kill nothing but lowbies you get "marked", anyone killing said "marked" player will get a pvp xp bump, and NO murder points (if they are not within level range).
This brings a "risk" to griefing, or res camping, but does not stop it all together. This leaves the world flexible for natural pvp, but gives a risk/reward for being a jerk and/or killing said jerk. lol

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Don't cry that someone your level beat you up in fair fight, because you were marked for killing lowbies all day, and you deserved it.
End of story.

 
Wtf Failcom You Cant Just Nerf Stuff Every Patch

So far every time people get to QQ on the forums yall go an nerf some stuff an fuk up the game instead of fixing the stuff that needs to be fix.Dont get me wrong i love the game but it seems like your focus is on the wrong things.First of all the main thing that needed to be nerf was the stupid guard charge one shotting people,but yall didnt even do that failcom.Know one likes to just get 1 shoted everytime you see a guard running towards you it takes the fun out of the game.Second did u ever stop to think if your gonna have classes doing combos that hit for 2k+ that you would of gave more classes higher HP it would solve alot of your pvp problems instead of nerfing **** every patch.In every mmo ive played players dont wanna hit for less they wanna hit harder so plz dont nerf the gems give all the classes more HP an nerf the guard charge plz. It will make the game more fun if pvp battles last a little longer an some classes wont feel useless in pvp when they can barely get a spell off before there dead.

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Yes they can...
Game is busted, they are trying to fix it...
...and I take it that you think this game is complete enough to leave alone eh?

hate to say this but people complaining like the OP about things in game and using the word nerf are fools.

at no point are you supposed to have anything in game. they make the rules and obviously your a fool, they see they have an error in the game mechanics and have to correct it.

have they made wise choices no, have they actually addressed stability issues no, have they added in this item database they bragged about for weeks no, have they add in upper level content for raids no. have they actually started wasting dev time on an expansion yes.

Those are the things that you need to be complaining about, not what you perceived as a god given stat. idiots.

Holy freakin' horrible sentence structure Batman.

I read it out loud to Kaibhan, he said :"That hurt just hearing it."

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And yes, they really can nerf things with every patch. They only have ONE job, they have families to feed ya know!!

They can do whatever the hell they want and you're going to accept it.

Maybe this is a problem with the school system, teaching all these kids that they're special and that anyone gives a RIP about their opinion.

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I understand that. What I am saying is that this is the first MMO I have played (played many) where it was necessary to "organize" specific days and times to go PvP. Typically, people go PvP without being prodded to go do it because they like to PvP.

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/ooc isnt always filled with talk about lack of PvP but I notice it enough to warrant the observation that there are 3 zones to go do it in that are empty non-stop. There are guilds or members of guilds that post about lack of PvP. Same thing.

I am not disagreeing with you and I understand the frustration from your perspective and anyone elses who has tried to "organize" open world PvP. In fact, I appluad you and anyone else that has done so.

My point is, why is that even necessary. That IT IS necessary at this point is not in question.

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With the amount of posts and in-game chat centered around this topic the answer is simple. When you log in at night. Stop looking for "epic kesh" & "Onyx" groups and go to the BK. Or, to those bitching about no PvP and arent doing anything about it what is your suggestion? And Nayce that comment is not for you. Its an "in general" question to all the folks that complain about being bored out of thier minds, that claim they want to PvP, and then like you mentioned dont show thier faces when its time to start killin.

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Unless we are talking about seiging (I'm not) imo there is no organization necessary. None. Whatsoever.

Whatever internal organization for group make up, feat spec, assist trains, or what not is all interal from one guild to the next. Some guilds will take steps like this and some wont. They'll take what they have and zone in.

What I am saying is what organization is necessary for folks to "clicky" the door and zone into one "Border Kingdom" or another. All you have to do is grab some people and zone in. THE MORE THE BETTER. Its the fact that no one is doing that that is the problem.

People piss and moan about no PvP. Gems, you name it. I somewhat understand the issues revolving around seiging ans balance but only from the observer's perspective based on all the feedback on these boards. Broken "X", exploitable "Y", impossible "Z", etc.

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I understand many are waiting for the "PvP Patch." If you are still logging in (I understand many are not but many STILL ARE) what are you doing? Running Aztel for the 100th time? Banging on Basalt rocks 24/7? Alts? There is no time for nothing else?

I'm not talking about seiging myself. I'm talking about the fact that while there are still plenty of "bored" level 80's (and any other level player for that matter) that claims they want to PvP, they never go into the zones to do it! How can you experience open world PvP if the zones to do it in are empty 24/7?!?

I dont care about terrain or rez point issues or whatever else exist. We can bitch about that stuff WHILE WE ARE PVP'ing.

FC is not ENTIRELY responsible for the complete lack of PvP. I am NOT implying anything. Like pretty much everyone I'm fairly disgusted. They are certainly not giving anyone any incentives, a lot of work needs done, most things are not as we thought they would be much less how they told for years leading up to launch.......

BUT all you guilds informing everyone that you're sticking around, advertising guild PvP as incentive to "merge" and be "absorbed", blah, etc, where are yal at really? Raiding non stop? Farming Epic Kesh? What? Arent there lockout timers anyway?

We'll be the first to admit we're a small guild in the hurt locker due to retention issues created by lack of content, lack of PvP, technical issues, you name it. But, we're still here. We want to PvP. I'd rather go out and get zerged than not PvP AT ALL.